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May 15, 2024 at 5:29 AM Post #89,281 of 90,443
Can you list out everything in this audio chain, if not already? :eyes:
Sure!

Source is Sony Walkman NW-WM1ZM2 connected via USB into Chord Hugo M Scaler connected via dual BNC cables into Chord Hugo TT2 connected balanced into McIntosh MHA200 through Effect Audio Chiron 8W into Noble Audio Viking Ragnar with Dekoni foam tips.

It has taken a while to experiment to get here but I feel this is the chain where I am enjoying the Viking Ragnar the best!
 
May 15, 2024 at 5:32 AM Post #89,282 of 90,443
Oh boy, look what just arrived 🥰🤤 The new Luxury & Precision E7!

TKP - NJ SS Review - 3.jpg


After more than a year of waiting it's finally here, and let me tell you it was worth the wait. I have a full review coming but I wanted to share some impressions right away since I know many are quite interested. Just to be clear my unit is brand new, I've been listening constantly since it arrived, but that's only about 20 hrs, and I can hear it opening up a lot. After 100Hrs + it will for sure be different.

Right off the bat I can say this is the most analog Delta Sigma DAP I've ever heard, really. It's so natural and clear with plenty of the L&P magic in there. No digital glare whatsoever, wow. How they managed this sound in such a tiny box is beyond me, and to make it sound so organic and analog, it's nuts. Very detailed, open and airy, super transparent too. More on the neutral side, not overly thick, not bright or thin at all either. Other companies should take note of this, this is a masterclass in transparent tuning, graceful and refined, without being boring or flat. I hear amazing levels of micro details in the mids, very detailed and open treble, and deep punchy bass that is nicely textured. It's giving me major DMP vibes, that kind of grand stage with great details and a lot of air, technical but very analog - the DMP is a tad warmer and maybe thicker, but the technical side is similar.

While it is not R2R, they used the special 4497 AKM chips, like the DMP, and it is just fantastic. The new OS and UI is a huge step forward, we now have gapless, a search function that works very well, useable metadata browsing, lossless EQ, and adjustable op amp voltage. You can name your playlists too, it's all much more seamless and functional. The exclusive version has three separate tuning options, and while I largely prefer the HD, the other two are super cool as well. There is some hardware upgrades too, so anyone thinking about buying the E7 should really consider the Exclusive if it's available.

E7 Combined Web.jpg
IMG_3367.jpgIMG_3366.jpgIMG_3368.jpgIMG_3439.jpg
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I know that for some people the lack of streaming, or the closed UI is not for them. I'll say this now, if you NEED streaming, Android or Roon support, Wi-Fi, BT out, or even good battery life just don't bother with the E7. This DAP is music only, it was designed this way, and L&P isn't going to change this anytime soon, probably ever. This is a purist DAP, like their others, and the SQ speaks for itself. L&P chooses SQ over all else, tuning the FPGA for maximum tone, at the expense of battery life. So while the battery life isn't great compared to most DAPs, it's much better than AE, charges faster too, and more than worth the compromise for me.The new UI is leagues ahead of previous models, but don't expect it to perform like your phone, or the TOTL Android DAP either. It's basic, but basic done right. Rant over - but please please, if you need those options, or don't like a closed system, just let it be. There are so many choices out there, we're spoiled with options, so choose what you like best, for the use cases you need. :)

I love how fast you're in your music - just a quick button press, a few seconds of waiting and play. And how small at light it is, like the P6 Pro. The volume knob is very smooth with the right amount of resistance. Both 4.4 and 3.5 can be used PO or LO, you can choose this in the drop-down menu that also houses the usual stuff. I find it charges noticeably faster then my AE, but there is no QC or PD support, you need to use an old school USBC - USBA cable. The screen is much larger than before, lots of real estate for album art and controls. Side buttons have a nice click to them, very secure.

Compared to the AE - well they are very different. The AE is more dense, more impactful and punchy. I hear the E7 sounding a bit more detailed up top, also more sparkle and shine there, while the AE is more analog up top, and focuses more on texture and body. AE stage is bigger, it's more grand and massive sounding, the E7 is more clean and transparent, without the mid-bass bump or super mid forward tuning the AE has. AE stage is center focused with huge space all out ot the sides, the E7 stage is more spread to begin with. They are both very technical, but both are very analog sounding too. So far I may prefer the AE still, but as the E7 opens up I like it more and more - my Sony WM1ZM2 is already sold as its place in my collection has now been filled by the E7.

I think, for some people, maybe even most, the E7 will be an easier choice. Not only because it's cheaper, but because it's more neutral, more modern sounding, far more useable, and probably better for modern music, as the AE can be overly mid focused sometimes. The UI and general experience is no contest, the E7 is far superior here no surprise. I know a few who prefer the E7 already, especially for Electronic - I'm very curious for myself how I feel after a few weeks when it's fully opened up. I find the AE makes me feel things in my chest more, the thump of the drums and overall physical presentation. The E7 makes me focus on the details more, perhaps because the top end sounds more open and detailed. While it is impactful, it's more graceful, and less punchy.


IMG_3437.jpgIMG_3358.jpg
IMG_3362.jpg
IMG_3372.jpgIMG_3382.jpg

So, that's it for now. My full review will come in some weeks, once I've had a chance to really get used to it, but suffice to say, it is fantastic! I'm really blown away by what L&P has done here - color me very very impressed. Paired with the Traillii and SS cable this is a treat of natural and neutral excellence, with tons of space and air, along with a massive stage. Pitch black background, oodles of details, especially in the mids. Yummy. If anyone is on the fence about getting one, let me give you a gentle nudge in the E7's direction. Absolutely highest recommendation - just know what it is, and what it's not, before buying. I think Musicteck has one or two left :)

Have a great day everyone!
Gorgeous photos! And insightful initial impressions! Look forward to your full review in due course! :)
 
May 15, 2024 at 5:51 AM Post #89,283 of 90,443
Howdy Folks,

Hope you have all been keeping well.

Just sharing a photo of a chain I am really into right now.

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As some of you may know, I have a lot of love for the Aroma brand. I absolutely adore the Jewel and it continues to be my number one, having tried everything under the sun. Of course, I have spent a lot of time with it to tweak it to bring out its bass and treble in ways that makes it an absolute joy for me to listen to.

This post is however less about the Jewel and more about the rather amazing Aroma A100TB amp. It's such a pocket rocket. In fact, on many occasions, I prefer it to the ibasso Osprey PB5, albeit they have rather contrasting presentations. While the PB5 gives me a richer and warmer presentation with excellent reverb of notes and a lusher midrange; the A100TB tightens up the bass, whilst throwing a deeper stage and presenting an airier treble. I love both amps but I have to say that the A100TB is currently getting more listening time from me than the PB5.

Of course, the Sony WM1ZM2 continues to be in the thick of things and I just love how the A100TB opens up the Sony house sound without coloring it too much. Absolute joy. :heart:
You should get the Burson OP Amps & the PS as well, extends the notes further into the deep soundstage it produces. I’m absolutely in love with my stack now. Final piece would be a PlusSound 8w Copper IC I have coming otw.
 

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May 15, 2024 at 6:09 AM Post #89,284 of 90,443
So I have been a/b testing the sp3000 and the wm1zm2 with the CP622B because its able to show the source very well.

My conclusion is that the sony has a tad bit more low end. Note decay/reverb lasts a little longer. And sometimes treble can be a wee bit more spicy.

The sp3000 has better soundstage, and imaging is quite simular.

Though tbh you really have to focus on this, when you dont a/b. You probably would enjoy either. They are really close.

Yet we care about the final percentages 😛 so if you like low ends a tat bit more than sound stage. Go for sony, and vice versa for the sp3000.

Im only comparing sound here, not functionality.
 
May 15, 2024 at 6:42 AM Post #89,286 of 90,443
You should get the Burson OP Amps & the PS as well, extends the notes further into the deep soundstage it produces. I’m absolutely in love with my stack now. Final piece would be a PlusSound 8w Copper IC I have coming otw.
If you’re using the aroma PS you could also go full out with Steve’s mod. Makes it possible to fit better (bigger) sparkos, might do something similar for mass kobo myself
 
May 15, 2024 at 7:16 AM Post #89,287 of 90,443
Water cooler in your opinion what cable has the best pairing with an Oriolus Trailli?
Stock cable is great I prefered it over Orpheus (shielded). Tried that combo at CJNY 2023 where MT had two birds for demo one with each cable, AB was easy. I was surprised by that perhaps my taste are tunafish instead of caviar.
 
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May 15, 2024 at 7:17 AM Post #89,288 of 90,443
Stock cable is great I prefered it over Orpheus. Tried that combo at CJNY 2023 were MT had two birds for demo one with each cable, AB was easy. I was surprised by that perhaps my taste are tunafish instead of caviar.
Always go for more protein
 
May 15, 2024 at 8:10 AM Post #89,289 of 90,443
Oh boy, look what just arrived 🥰🤤 The new Luxury & Precision E7!

TKP - NJ SS Review - 3.jpg


After more than a year of waiting it's finally here, and let me tell you it was worth the wait. I have a full review coming but I wanted to share some impressions right away since I know many are quite interested. Just to be clear my unit is brand new, I've been listening constantly since it arrived, but that's only about 20 hrs, and I can hear it opening up a lot. After 100Hrs + it will for sure be different.

Right off the bat I can say this is the most analog Delta Sigma DAP I've ever heard, really. It's so natural and clear with plenty of the L&P magic in there. No digital glare whatsoever, wow. How they managed this sound in such a tiny box is beyond me, and to make it sound so organic and analog, it's nuts. Very detailed, open and airy, super transparent too. More on the neutral side, not overly thick, not bright or thin at all either. Other companies should take note of this, this is a masterclass in transparent tuning, graceful and refined, without being boring or flat. I hear amazing levels of micro details in the mids, very detailed and open treble, and deep punchy bass that is nicely textured. It's giving me major DMP vibes, that kind of grand stage with great details and a lot of air, technical but very analog - the DMP is a tad warmer and maybe thicker, but the technical side is similar.

While it is not R2R, they used the special 4497 AKM chips, like the DMP, and it is just fantastic. The new OS and UI is a huge step forward, we now have gapless, a search function that works very well, useable metadata browsing, lossless EQ, and adjustable op amp voltage. You can name your playlists too, it's all much more seamless and functional. The exclusive version has three separate tuning options, and while I largely prefer the HD, the other two are super cool as well. There is some hardware upgrades too, so anyone thinking about buying the E7 should really consider the Exclusive if it's available.

E7 Combined Web.jpg
IMG_3367.jpgIMG_3366.jpgIMG_3368.jpgIMG_3439.jpg
IMG_3362.jpg


I know that for some people the lack of streaming, or the closed UI is not for them. I'll say this now, if you NEED streaming, Android or Roon support, Wi-Fi, BT out, or even good battery life just don't bother with the E7. This DAP is music only, it was designed this way, and L&P isn't going to change this anytime soon, probably ever. This is a purist DAP, like their others, and the SQ speaks for itself. L&P chooses SQ over all else, tuning the FPGA for maximum tone, at the expense of battery life. So while the battery life isn't great compared to most DAPs, it's much better than AE, charges faster too, and more than worth the compromise for me.The new UI is leagues ahead of previous models, but don't expect it to perform like your phone, or the TOTL Android DAP either. It's basic, but basic done right. Rant over - but please please, if you need those options, or don't like a closed system, just let it be. There are so many choices out there, we're spoiled with options, so choose what you like best, for the use cases you need. :)

I love how fast you're in your music - just a quick button press, a few seconds of waiting and play. And how small at light it is, like the P6 Pro. The volume knob is very smooth with the right amount of resistance. Both 4.4 and 3.5 can be used PO or LO, you can choose this in the drop-down menu that also houses the usual stuff. I find it charges noticeably faster then my AE, but there is no QC or PD support, you need to use an old school USBC - USBA cable. The screen is much larger than before, lots of real estate for album art and controls. Side buttons have a nice click to them, very secure.

Compared to the AE - well they are very different. The AE is more dense, more impactful and punchy. I hear the E7 sounding a bit more detailed up top, also more sparkle and shine there, while the AE is more analog up top, and focuses more on texture and body. AE stage is bigger, it's more grand and massive sounding, the E7 is more clean and transparent, without the mid-bass bump or super mid forward tuning the AE has. AE stage is center focused with huge space all out ot the sides, the E7 stage is more spread to begin with. They are both very technical, but both are very analog sounding too. So far I may prefer the AE still, but as the E7 opens up I like it more and more - my Sony WM1ZM2 is already sold as its place in my collection has now been filled by the E7.

I think, for some people, maybe even most, the E7 will be an easier choice. Not only because it's cheaper, but because it's more neutral, more modern sounding, far more useable, and probably better for modern music, as the AE can be overly mid focused sometimes. The UI and general experience is no contest, the E7 is far superior here no surprise. I know a few who prefer the E7 already, especially for Electronic - I'm very curious for myself how I feel after a few weeks when it's fully opened up. I find the AE makes me feel things in my chest more, the thump of the drums and overall physical presentation. The E7 makes me focus on the details more, perhaps because the top end sounds more open and detailed. While it is impactful, it's more graceful, and less punchy.


IMG_3437.jpgIMG_3358.jpg
IMG_3362.jpg
IMG_3372.jpgIMG_3382.jpg

So, that's it for now. My full review will come in some weeks, once I've had a chance to really get used to it, but suffice to say, it is fantastic! I'm really blown away by what L&P has done here - color me very very impressed. Paired with the Traillii and SS cable this is a treat of natural and neutral excellence, with tons of space and air, along with a massive stage. Pitch black background, oodles of details, especially in the mids. Yummy. If anyone is on the fence about getting one, let me give you a gentle nudge in the E7's direction. Absolutely highest recommendation - just know what it is, and what it's not, before buying. I think Musicteck has one or two left :)

Have a great day everyone!
Great writeup mate. Very interesting offline device.

P.S. it was a pleasure to talk to you last week! Hope to see you next year also.
 
May 15, 2024 at 8:48 AM Post #89,290 of 90,443
So I have been a/b testing the sp3000 and the wm1zm2 with the CP622B because its able to show the source very well.

My conclusion is that the sony has a tad bit more low end. Note decay/reverb lasts a little longer. And sometimes treble can be a wee bit more spicy.

The sp3000 has better soundstage, and imaging is quite simular.

Though tbh you really have to focus on this, when you dont a/b. You probably would enjoy either. They are really close.

Yet we care about the final percentages 😛 so if you like low ends a tat bit more than sound stage. Go for sony, and vice versa for the sp3000.

Im only comparing sound here, not functionality.
If only the lotoo player supported at least roon…

Its so damn good
 
May 15, 2024 at 8:56 AM Post #89,291 of 90,443
So I have been a/b testing the sp3000 and the wm1zm2 with the CP622B because its able to show the source very well.

My conclusion is that the sony has a tad bit more low end. Note decay/reverb lasts a little longer. And sometimes treble can be a wee bit more spicy.

The sp3000 has better soundstage, and imaging is quite simular.

Though tbh you really have to focus on this, when you dont a/b. You probably would enjoy either. They are really close.

Yet we care about the final percentages 😛 so if you like low ends a tat bit more than sound stage. Go for sony, and vice versa for the sp3000.

Im only comparing sound here, not functionality.
How do you find the low mids and bottom end? I wondered if it was a tad congested in the area with sp3000 but with a lot of potential to open up.

Stock cable is great I prefered it over Orpheus (shielded). Tried that combo at CJNY 2023 where MT had two birds for demo one with each cable, AB was easy. I was surprised by that perhaps my taste are tunafish instead of caviar.

IMG_3995.jpeg


Needing more time with this before forming impressions. But decided to follow a recommendation to pair Sov Symphony with Trailii. It’s rich with oodles of sound. I can see why they name it the symphony
 
May 15, 2024 at 9:23 AM Post #89,292 of 90,443
How do you find the low mids and bottom end? I wondered if it was a tad congested in the area with sp3000 but with a lot of potential to open up.



IMG_3995.jpeg

Needing more time with this before forming impressions. But decided to follow a recommendation to pair Sov Symphony with Trailii. It’s rich with oodles of sound. I can see why they name it the symphony
No I would not call it congested, there is just less of it. Less bass impact, less rumble.

But its marginal less, now that I a/b them I notice it. Its just really marginally, would not call it a day and night situation
 
May 15, 2024 at 9:42 AM Post #89,293 of 90,443
No I would not call it congested, there is just less of it. Less bass impact, less rumble.

But its marginal less, now that I a/b them I notice it. Its just really marginally, would not call it a day and night situation
Man I begrudgingly sold my Traillii because of ear fit. It was really incredible - intoxicating really. Is anything as good but a different form factor?
 
May 15, 2024 at 9:55 AM Post #89,294 of 90,443
Oh boy, look what just arrived 🥰🤤 The new Luxury & Precision E7!

TKP - NJ SS Review - 3.jpg


After more than a year of waiting it's finally here, and let me tell you it was worth the wait. I have a full review coming but I wanted to share some impressions right away since I know many are quite interested. Just to be clear my unit is brand new, I've been listening constantly since it arrived, but that's only about 20 hrs, and I can hear it opening up a lot. After 100Hrs + it will for sure be different.

Right off the bat I can say this is the most analog Delta Sigma DAP I've ever heard, really. It's so natural and clear with plenty of the L&P magic in there. No digital glare whatsoever, wow. How they managed this sound in such a tiny box is beyond me, and to make it sound so organic and analog, it's nuts. Very detailed, open and airy, super transparent too. More on the neutral side, not overly thick, not bright or thin at all either. Other companies should take note of this, this is a masterclass in transparent tuning, graceful and refined, without being boring or flat. I hear amazing levels of micro details in the mids, very detailed and open treble, and deep punchy bass that is nicely textured. It's giving me major DMP vibes, that kind of grand stage with great details and a lot of air, technical but very analog - the DMP is a tad warmer and maybe thicker, but the technical side is similar.

While it is not R2R, they used the special 4497 AKM chips, like the DMP, and it is just fantastic. The new OS and UI is a huge step forward, we now have gapless, a search function that works very well, useable metadata browsing, lossless EQ, and adjustable op amp voltage. You can name your playlists too, it's all much more seamless and functional. The exclusive version has three separate tuning options, and while I largely prefer the HD, the other two are super cool as well. There is some hardware upgrades too, so anyone thinking about buying the E7 should really consider the Exclusive if it's available.

E7 Combined Web.jpg
IMG_3367.jpgIMG_3366.jpgIMG_3368.jpgIMG_3439.jpg
IMG_3362.jpg


I know that for some people the lack of streaming, or the closed UI is not for them. I'll say this now, if you NEED streaming, Android or Roon support, Wi-Fi, BT out, or even good battery life just don't bother with the E7. This DAP is music only, it was designed this way, and L&P isn't going to change this anytime soon, probably ever. This is a purist DAP, like their others, and the SQ speaks for itself. L&P chooses SQ over all else, tuning the FPGA for maximum tone, at the expense of battery life. So while the battery life isn't great compared to most DAPs, it's much better than AE, charges faster too, and more than worth the compromise for me.The new UI is leagues ahead of previous models, but don't expect it to perform like your phone, or the TOTL Android DAP either. It's basic, but basic done right. Rant over - but please please, if you need those options, or don't like a closed system, just let it be. There are so many choices out there, we're spoiled with options, so choose what you like best, for the use cases you need. :)

I love how fast you're in your music - just a quick button press, a few seconds of waiting and play. And how small at light it is, like the P6 Pro. The volume knob is very smooth with the right amount of resistance. Both 4.4 and 3.5 can be used PO or LO, you can choose this in the drop-down menu that also houses the usual stuff. I find it charges noticeably faster then my AE, but there is no QC or PD support, you need to use an old school USBC - USBA cable. The screen is much larger than before, lots of real estate for album art and controls. Side buttons have a nice click to them, very secure.

Compared to the AE - well they are very different. The AE is more dense, more impactful and punchy. I hear the E7 sounding a bit more detailed up top, also more sparkle and shine there, while the AE is more analog up top, and focuses more on texture and body. AE stage is bigger, it's more grand and massive sounding, the E7 is more clean and transparent, without the mid-bass bump or super mid forward tuning the AE has. AE stage is center focused with huge space all out ot the sides, the E7 stage is more spread to begin with. They are both very technical, but both are very analog sounding too. So far I may prefer the AE still, but as the E7 opens up I like it more and more - my Sony WM1ZM2 is already sold as its place in my collection has now been filled by the E7.

I think, for some people, maybe even most, the E7 will be an easier choice. Not only because it's cheaper, but because it's more neutral, more modern sounding, far more useable, and probably better for modern music, as the AE can be overly mid focused sometimes. The UI and general experience is no contest, the E7 is far superior here no surprise. I know a few who prefer the E7 already, especially for Electronic - I'm very curious for myself how I feel after a few weeks when it's fully opened up. I find the AE makes me feel things in my chest more, the thump of the drums and overall physical presentation. The E7 makes me focus on the details more, perhaps because the top end sounds more open and detailed. While it is impactful, it's more graceful, and less punchy.


IMG_3437.jpgIMG_3358.jpg
IMG_3362.jpg
IMG_3372.jpgIMG_3382.jpg

So, that's it for now. My full review will come in some weeks, once I've had a chance to really get used to it, but suffice to say, it is fantastic! I'm really blown away by what L&P has done here - color me very very impressed. Paired with the Traillii and SS cable this is a treat of natural and neutral excellence, with tons of space and air, along with a massive stage. Pitch black background, oodles of details, especially in the mids. Yummy. If anyone is on the fence about getting one, let me give you a gentle nudge in the E7's direction. Absolutely highest recommendation - just know what it is, and what it's not, before buying. I think Musicteck has one or two left :)

Have a great day everyone!
Excellent photos! :D
 
May 15, 2024 at 9:57 AM Post #89,295 of 90,443
Man I begrudgingly sold my Traillii because of ear fit. It was really incredible - intoxicating really. Is anything as good but a different form factor?

Hmmm hot take maybe? - try Melodic Artification Alter Ego if you haven’t already. I preferred it to both OG and Ti Traillii for that softer more relaxing playback that has great timbre.
 

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